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I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Tue, May. 16th, 2006 11:55 pm
SPN Meta: Sammy's Choice ... Triumph or Failure?


I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Tue, May. 23rd, 2006 06:29 pm (UTC)

I'm gald you decided to join in the fun. It's been great discussing all this stuff even if it has, in contrast to its original intend, actually intensified my missing of fresh SPN eps rather than feeding the need to a less raucous state of demand.

I think it’s about making a choice, about knowing the reasons why you made this choice and about living with the consequences. And it’s great that there WERE consequences. But actually it doesn’t invalidate what Sam did, his choice and the reasons for it. For me right or wrong doesn’t play into it that much.

I completely agree. This is more or less where I was going with the "shit happens" interpretation, although the way you state it seems MUCH easier to like than the way I did. :D I do believe that, if Sam's choice is not intended by the writers to be viewed as a failure, that this was probably their point.

And this point is also a standard in dramatic storytelling: That you can do everything right and still fail. That much of what happens is beyond our control, so all you can do is the best you can do and then try to surive the consequences and fit a happy life in there somewhere.

I find this kind of statement more fitting, in general, to more reality-bound shows that are trying to make smaller,more reality-bound statements than I do to a show like Supernatural that, by virtue of it's reality-flexible format, seems to be more suited to making larger statements of a more alegorical and sweeping nature; but I absolutely agree that this might well be the point. And that it's a valid point, and one they have chosen to make before, particularly in FAITH; for certainly, Dean does everything right there, and Layla is still going to die.

Bad things happen to good people: Dean's reasoning for why there is no God. Or at least, not one he is willing to conceed is relevant or participatory in the war they wage on the battleground of good vs evil. And I'm willing to buy this as one of my 3 interpretations, I just said it more like "shit happens" than "bad things happen to good people." :D

And I very much like what you said about the point being living with the consequences of your choice, whether that choice is right or wrong by your way of judging it. Because certainly, I can make mulitple cases for why individuals can logically view Sam's choice as either right or wrong, and the relevant reality is that regardless of the right or wrong of the choice itself, the consequence of that choice is that last 30 seconds of the episode.

And I absolutely agree that it is most excellent there were consequences. It makes for an incredibly strong episode, and it certainly complicates the hell out of things to make the right choice for the reason (putting your family first) only to have the consequence of that choice be disaster for the family you were trying to save. That, IMO, holds much greater potential to turn Sam down a dark road of soul than Jess's mode of murder ever did. Because this holds the potential to teach him that to be less obsessed with the Demon's destruction than John is to allow something like this to happen. Which very much holds the potential to re-make Sam into John, where his experience with Jess's murder was so different from John's experience with Mary's murder that I never found it to be a real threat of creating a John out of Sam.

Probably the most wonderful thing ever said (IMO) about this subject is something Al Swearengen said in Deadwood under similar circumstances to a character who is feeling the world is over because something bad happened out of a choice he felt was right at the time: "Pain or damage don’t end the world, or despair or fuckin’ beatin’s. The world ends when you’re dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back."

That, I think, describes Dean to a tee. Whether or not the same can be said of Sam is yet to be seen.

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