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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 02:47 am
SPN Fic: Reverent, Clean, Thrifty and Wise (Gen, R, Pre-series)

So I crawled inside Sammy's head, and this is what I found there. This is the Boy Scout fic I've been promising. On the John side of the equation, I really grok his pain on this one. I think I may have actually raised a Sammy myself ... *snerk*

Title: Reverent, Clean, Thrifty and Wise
Author: dodger_winslow 
Challenge: Psych 30 Chart.
My Prompt: #20, Learned Helplessness
Genre: Gen, pre-series
Word Count: 10,450
Rating: R (for language, just to be safe)
Pairings: None
Spoilers: None
Disclaimer: I don't own the boys, I'm just stalking them for a while.

Summary: Sammy was sitting on the couch, eating potato chips, watching John like he was some kind of science experiment that was getting ready to render an interesting result any moment now. God only knew what that boy would consider interesting.



Reverent, Clean, Thrifty and Wise

John woke with a start. It took him a moment to figure out why, but once he did, he knew exactly what to expect when he opened his eyes.

Sammy was sitting on the couch, eating potato chips, watching John like he was some kind of science experiment that was getting ready to render an interesting result any moment now. God only knew what that boy would consider interesting.

"Hey, Sammy." John stretched in his chair, unknotting a multitude of kinks that had tied themselves into his back and shoulders from sleeping upright. "I thought I told you not to stare at me when I’m sleeping."

"I wasn’t staring," Sammy said. He popped another chip in his mouth. "I was just watching."

"Right. Well don’t watch me when I’m sleeping then, okay?"

"Why not?"

"Because I asked you not to."

Sammy sighed. It was clear he thought that a tragically substandard reason, if not down right stupid, but he agreed with a casual "Okay."

That wasn’t a good sign.

Sammy only agreed to do something he considered unjustified in the asking for one reason: he had something more argument-worthy on his mind. Or in the vernacular Sammy preferred: debate-worthy. Because – as he’d informed John just last month – asking for clarification as to why, exactly, he should do what John told him to do wasn’t arguing about every little damn thing, it was debating about every little damn thing.

And reasoned debate was a healthy thing was Sammy’s contention.

Maybe for professional debaters, John had responded. Not so much for eleven-year-olds with dads who were done debating.

Scratching at the back of his neck, John struggled to clear the cobwebs of interrupted sleep out of his head, to un-muzz the specifically muzzy scatter of his thoughts. Watching Sammy watch him, he had to wonder how in the hell he’d managed to draw the lot on this kid. Dean was pretty much a gimme: that was simple Genetics 101. But Sammy? The only possible explanation for Sammy – as far as John could see at least – was that he was the exception who proved the rule.

As much as John usually tried to take the mental stance that his younger son just favored Mary’s side of the equation the way Dean favored his, it wasn’t really accurate. True, Sammy was smart like Mary had been. And he was gentle, too, and intrinsically sweet in a kind way that had to be Mary because it sure as hell wasn’t John.

But to say he was like Mary simply wasn’t accurate. He wasn’t like Mary at all. At least, not in any way John could make heads or tails of.

As much as Mary had occasionally flummoxed him to a point where she left him stewing in his own juices, frustrated to a standstill by her way of thinking or of doing or of simply being the way she was – which included debating every little damn thing he said at times – he’d always felt like, on a core level, he got her. He understood her. He at least had a clue why Mary did the things she did, or responded the way she responded.

And even when he didn’t totally understand her, even when he most disagreed with her, they still spoke the same language. Or at least as much the same language as a man and a woman were ever going to speak.

The way John had it calculated, she was smarter than he was by at least half again; but he was far cagier and significantly more strategic, so all in all, it equaled out in the end. And while Mary was inarguably unpredictable at times – at least, unpredictable to him – her unpredictability factor was spice in the way she applied it.

It kept things interesting, kept things lively.

In fact, her unpredictability was a large part of what John most loved about her. He loved that he could never afford to bet too heavily on knowing what cards she had up her pretty little sleeve. He loved how much of an enigma she could still be even after they’d been married long enough to fall into familiar patterns of domestic behavior.

He loved that he knew her in ways no one else ever would, he could trust her in ways he could trust no one else; but even so, she was never going to become such known territory there wouldn’t be surprises around the next bend, things he couldn’t possibly anticipate over the next hill. He loved there was never going to be a time when he could discount the possibility of a fight over a subject he thought was safe, or laughter over something he thought would get him laid, or a moment when she looked at him like he was everything just because he did something that wouldn’t have occurred to him not to do.

Everything he didn’t understand about Mary was part and parcel to everything he loved about her; but even on his days of greatest failure to understand her, there was never a time John didn’t understand Mary the way he didn’t understand Sammy.

John loved his son. He loved the little mutt to a degree it almost scared him sometimes. But he didn’t get the boy at all.

Sammy had a completely incomprehensible way of thinking things through that wasn’t intriguing, it was frustrating. He had a ferocious thirst for knowledge that gave him the impression he knew more than everybody he’d ever met by the time he was nine, which might not have been entirely inaccurate, but which certainly was incredibly frustrating. And he had a civil right’s activist’s need to argue every little damn injustice he perceived to the wall, which was so far beyond frustrating to an ex-Marine it occasionally made John walk away just to keep from calling his own son a commie.

But the cherry on the sundae was Sammy’s unpredictability factor. The boy had unpredictable down to an art form. And he didn’t use it as a spice, the way Mary had. Sammy had enough unpredictable in that little body for a seven-course meal. Plus desert.

And he was unpredictable in a way that didn’t keep things interesting so much as it kept them absolutely and utterly chaotic. Or chaotic by John’s standards, at least. So while unpredictable wasn’t necessarily a bad thing in and of itself – chaos could be invigorating in small doses – it sure as hell was a frustrating thing.

Very, very frustrating.

But unpredictability wasn’t the worst of it. As frustrating as it was to consistently fail to anticipate his own child’s behavior or way of thinking or any other damn thing about the boy, it was ten times more frustrating to be out-thought by the unpredictable little bastard. Because no man should be out-thought by his own kid before that kid cleared a decade by at least two years. It just wasn’t natural.

And it was happening more and more often these days. Often enough, in fact, John had begun to wonder if Sammy wasn’t already significantly smarter than he and Dean put together and just playing nice for the sake of the slow kids at the back of the class. Those slow kids being his old man and big brother … as well as most of his teachers and probably the guys who ran the country, to boot.

Because although he could be wrong, John was pretty sure none of them would have known that – not counting the United States – Brazil was the world’s largest producer of soybeans either. At least, not off the top of their head. As far as John was concerned, Soyland was a pretty good guess for pulling an answer out of his ass at the drop of a God-knows-why-Sammy-asked-that hat, and it didn’t deserve an eye roll from an eleven-year-old.

Because seriously, other than Sammy, who knew that kind of shit? And more importantly, who cared?

Apparently, the same people who cared what a Brazilian dollar was called, or that it wasn’t pronounced the way any English-speaking individual would pronounce any other collection of r’s and e’s and a’s and l’s so much as it was pronounced like you objected to someone stepping on your foot. But John Winchester spoke English, dammit. So really, in the long run, shouldn’t that be the deciding factor on how John Winchester and John Winchester’s children chose to pronounce words?

John Winchester’s children including Sammy, all evidence to the contrary.

Good God how John had learned to hate Brazil. He’d been there once, and it was a beautiful place full of predominantly congenial people; but he could honestly say none of that really mattered any more. It could be the freakin’ Garden of Eden and Nirvana all rolled up in one, and it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference to how much John hated Brazil. And sixth grade Social Studies homework. And sometimes, his youngest son’s brain. And always, his youngest son’s capacity to roll his eyes in a way that made his old man feel like an idiot.

But most of all, John hated knowing there was a reasoned debate in the immediate offing, and no one had bothered to give him a week’s notice on the subject up for debate.

Or in the vernacular John preferred: argument.

Scrubbing one hand across his face, he picked up the book he’d been reading when he dozed off. It was a couple of hundred years old, and it smelled like mold … and those were its good points.

But even so, diving back into the can-anything-actually-be-this-boring? pool seemed a safer alternative – ego-wise, at least – than finding out he didn’t know who the world’s largest producer of jelly beans was either. Because while Jellystone Park would both crack Dean up as an answer to that question and earn bonus points in the awesome dad category, all it would get from Sammy was another damned eye roll.

And probably a lengthy debate about why bears didn’t really have sidekicks and shouldn’t be fed sugar because that constituted irresponsible management of natural resources and could lead to bear diabetes or some damn thing.

"How’d your hunt go?" Sammy asked between chips.

Oh, crap. As much as Sammy’s failure to debate John’s tragically substandard reasoning on why he shouldn’t be stared at while he was sleeping wasn’t a good sign, Sammy actually asking about a hunt was a bona fide emergency broadcast beacon on full blow.

He didn’t give a sweet tinker’s damn about hunting. If John made it home relatively on time and without any undue shedding of blood, it was all good as far as Sammy was concerned. So him actually asking about last night’s cluster fuck of a fruitless skeet shoot? Yeah, so not good. God knows what subject that question was breaking ice for.

Probably Brazil. Or soybeans. Or, God forbid, Star Trek.

"Went pretty well," John lied without looking up from the book. "It was long though. Really, really long. Got home very late. Didn’t get much sleep. Haven’t really slept since Thursday, in fact."

Dean would have taken the hint. He would have realized John talking about long hunts and late arrivals and not getting any sleep meant he didn’t want to be bothered. Or quizzed about dinosaurs. Or asked if he knew who, other than the United States, was the world’s largest producer of soybeans. Or given the short course on quantum physics and how Star Trek only got it part right. Or asked any other question he didn’t know the answer to, or told any other piece of valuable information he didn’t have the energy to pretend he gave a crap about when he almost certainly didn’t.

Give a crap, that is.

Dean would have taken the hint, but Sammy didn’t. Sammy never took the hint. Instead, he took John’s comments about sleep deprivation as permission to speculate on what might be the end result of not getting enough sleep as he, Samuel Tyler Winchester, saw it based on Exhibits A, B and C, all of which were observations made while watching his old man snore like a buzz saw in the Lazy Boy.

"That’s probably why you fell asleep in your chair," Sammy said reasonably.

"It probably is," John agreed. Then, trying once more for the leave-me-alone or pick-a-subject-I-can-talk-about combination, he added, "Although this book is pretty boring, too. It might have put me to sleep right in the middle of a Packers game."

Sammy nodded, but that was it. Crap. Football was a class A distraction for Dean: It worked every single time.

It didn’t even ding Sam.

He didn’t even look like he knew who the Packers were. Which, as far as John was concerned, was just another point to the whole ‘exception proves the rule’ theory. Because Winchesters? Winchesters knew who the Packers were.

Maybe if he tried Star Trek ….

Of course, John didn’t know much about Star Trek either, so while that subject did have a better chance to successfully derail his son from whatever was on his mind, it likely wouldn’t prove to be a much better topic of conversation for John than Brazil would be. Because honestly, he had no idea how those damned transporters worked, or whether or not you could actually de-molecule a guy, send him somewhere else, and then re-molecule him back together again without running the risk of getting his eyeballs in backwards. All of which was evidently Dean’s big sticking point when it came to why Star Trek was a stupid-ass show only a geek would watch while another channel was running Batman.

"Nice day outside," John noted.

"Uh huh."

"Why don’t you go ride your bike or something?"

Sammy popped another chip in his mouth. "Nah. I’d rather stay here with you."

Double crap. "Well, I’m kind of busy right now, Sammy. And I’ve got a long way to go before I’m finished reading this one." He lifted the book out of his lap a little to show his son the impressively old-as-hell binding. That might work: Sammy freakin’ loved books.

Books were right at the top of his things-I-love list.

But evidently not today.

"That’s okay." Sammy took a break from the chips to chug-a-lug out of a pop can he kept close at hand by wedging it between the couch cushions in a way that would have made Mary break out in a cold sweat. "I’ll wait." He started to put the can back, then thought better of it and held it out to John instead. "Want some pop?"

Double crap with a heaping spoonful of crap on the side. John shook off his son’s offer of sugar-in-liquid-form as he warned, "Might take me all day."

"I’ll still wait." Sammy jammed the pop can back in place. "I have something I want to ask you. Want some chips?"

Ah, shit. Sammy wanted to ask him something.

John took the bag his son was holding out and popped several chips in quick succession to soften the blow of finding out Sammy didn’t want to tell him about transporters or political parties in Argentina (fucking South A-damn-merica Social fucking Studies anyway). He didn’t want to tell John what ‘castigate’ meant or how the definition of that word differed from ‘castrate’ which is what Dean said even though he really meant ‘castigate,’ which actually Dean didn’t, he said exactly what he meant.

Hell, Sammy didn’t even want to tell him why you should never stare a dog straight in the eyes or wiggle your butt too much around one unless you were willing to make the time to play. Because evidently, that’s what butt wiggling meant to dogs. While eye staring, on the other hand, meant you were going to try to kick their ass, so if they had any doggie cahoonies – Sammy thought they were called cahoonies, so John just let him keep on thinking that because God forbid he should correct the kid only to find out they really were called cahoonies – they’d try and kick yours first.

No, Sammy didn’t want to tell him any of those things, he actually wanted to ask John something. And with John’s luck, the odds were astronomically high it would be something he didn’t know the answer to. Like how warp drive worked, because if you traveled faster than light, wouldn’t it tear you apart or send you back in time or turn your eyeballs inside out or something?

While John was contemplating the daunting concept of what Sammy could possibly want to ask a man who’d only had six hours of sleep since Thursday – four of those hours being right here, in this very chair – Sammy went ahead and asked. Or at least, he asked the first part of his question, because none of Sammy’s questions ever had only one part. That was the first rule you learned about Sammy questions: There was always a follow-up, and it usually involved the words "why" or "what country."

And the first part of Sammy’s question was, "So can I ask you something without you getting mad?"

Double shit. If Sammy was willing to actually ask permission to ask whatever it was he wanted to ask, it was worse than John thought. Which took some doing because John always assumed any question Sammy wanted to ask was about as bad as bad gets without involving things that react violently to salt or Latin or silver.

"I can’t make any promises, bud," John said. And that was the truth, at least as it applied to Sammy’s multi-part questions. Because as much as he’d like to say otherwise, John really couldn’t promise he wouldn’t get mad at whatever it was his youngest son intended to ask. Because Sam asked some pretty maddening questions sometimes. Sometimes he asked ones that could actually turn a guy’s eyeballs inside out.

Or make his head explode.

Or provoke his mouth into actually forming the words "you damn commie" before said guy remembered he was talking to his eleven-year-old son, and he couldn’t actually say that to an eleven-year-old. Or at least, he couldn’t say it unless he was willing to commit to the idea there was no such thing as life after death, and thus no reason to think he was ever going to see Mary again and have to explain that one to her.

Which, truthfully? He’d seen too much to ever bet on. There not being life after death, not Mary kicking his ass for calling his own son a commie. Or any other eleven-year-old, for that matter.

Sammy took the bag back from John and popped another chip in his mouth. And waited.

And waited.

And waited.

What the hell was he waiting for?

"Well?" John prompted finally.

"I’m not going to ask until you promise not to get mad," Sammy said.

It sounded so reasonable when he said it John almost felt like a stone-cold idiot for not having realized what the hold up was. He sighed. Sometimes facing one of Sammy’s questions was like setting a broken bone. You could try and wait it out, but the sad truth was, the bone wasn’t going to get any less broken with the passage of time. And Sammy’s question wasn’t going to get any easier to answer. So sometimes it was just as simple as jumping in with both feet and getting the damn thing over with.

Set the bone, so to speak. Rip the band aid off fast.

"All right," John conceded. "Fine. I won’t get mad. What do you want to ask?"

"Do you like Dean better than me?"

Sammy had good instincts: The question made John mad. He tried not to show it, but he wasn’t very successful. He could hear the strain in his own voice as he asked, "Why would you ask something like that, Sammy?"

"I just want to know," Sammy said.

"Why do you want to know?"

"Because I do."

That was the single most frustrating thing about Sammy’s debate rules. He absolutely considered "because I do" to be reasoned debate when he said it even though he adamantly refused to acknowledge "because I said so" as reasoned debate when John put it out there. And he had the gall to call John unfair.

"Of course I don’t love Dean more than I love you," John said.

He tried to put a definitive, close-the-book-on-the-subject tone in his voice just on the off chance that could be the end of it; but he knew it wouldn’t be. Not with Sammy. At least, not unless he was willing to shut Sammy down completely, which he tried not to do more than seventeen times a month.

He was already up to fifteen, and it was only the seventh.

An inspiration hit John as he finished his answer, so he tacked on, "That’s kind of a stupid question for such a smart kid, don’t you think?"

Good idea, but no go. Sammy didn’t rise to the bait. Whether or not he recognized it as bait was anybody’s guess, but be it through intention or inattention, Sammy didn’t go for the only counter measure John had to deploy: implying such a question was below Samuel Tyler’s estimable level of impressive intellect.

John wanted to just close his eyes and go to sleep. He was out of his depth here, and it would only get worse. Feigning narcolepsy seemed like a good evasive strategy in such a scenario. The only reason he didn’t indulge it was because he didn’t feel like hearing everything Sammy had ever read on the subject of sleep disorders.

Which, despite the fact he was only eleven, was probably enough to scare a true narcoleptic into insomnia.

"I didn’t ask if you love him more," Sammy announced. "I asked if you like him more."

Ah. Love, like: details, details, details. When it came to pronunciation on Latin (as compared to Brazilian) exorcisms, John was hell on wheels for details. But apparently, when it came to listening to what Sammy said, he was a little lax. Or the teacher thought so, at least. John was already failing the class, and he hadn’t even made it to the test yet. He should have studied harder, maybe stashed Dean under his chair as the ultimate cheat sheet for Sammy 101.

"Well I don’t like him more either," John said. No way the right answer was going to be that simple, but it never hurt to try the obvious.

"Dean says you do," Sammy said.

It was a good thing Dean wasn’t stashed under his chair at the moment. It was also a good thing Dean wasn’t the kind of kid to hang around the house on a sunny Saturday afternoon, eating potato chips and staring at his dad while the old man tried to get a little long-overdue shuteye. Because if Dean had been that kind of kid, he’d be such a dead kid right now. Absolutely dead. And buried. And grounded. Until he was seventy. Three.

"Dean’s just teasing you," John said.

"I know he’s not serious, but I got to thinking about it, and I think maybe he’s right anyway."

Good God, his son was eleven going on twenty-seven. And a law degree. From Stanford or Yale or some other stick-up-its-ass ivy league geek tank. "What makes you think that?" John asked, stalling.

"Because you do stuff with him."

Do stuff. Okay. That wasn’t so bad. John could handle do stuff. "I do stuff with you, too," he said.

"No you don’t. Not like you do with Dean."

Oh crap. Crap, crap, crap, crap. And shit.

For a man who set traps for supernatural evil on a daily basis, John wasn’t very good at avoiding them. Hell, he’d just fallen ass-over-teakettle into a big pit dug by a bored eleven-year-old who John was only now realizing must have doing stuff on his mind, instead of Brazil or soybeans or Star Trek.

"Yeah, I do," John said. "We do stuff all the time."

"Like what?" Sammy demanded.

Oh good. Sammy wanted examples. Example time was John’s favorite. He racked his brain, came up with nothing. He didn’t do stuff with Sammy. What the hell was he supposed to say when the kid called him on a we do stuff bluff?

"Well … we’re doing stuff right now, aren’t we?" John pointed out.

Trying to fly that one was a little like trying to take candy from a gorilla. A smart gorilla. A smart, big gorilla who really wanted that candy a whole, whole lot. "You were sleeping, Dad," Sammy said, his tone the verbal equivalent of an eyeroll. "And I was watching you sleep. That doesn’t count as doing stuff."

"That may have been what we were doing, but we’re talking now, right? Just you and me? Man to man?"

That so would have worked with Dean. The whole man-to-man thing was the ace of hearts in Dean’s deck of cards. Unfortunately, it wasn’t even the two of clubs with Sam.

Figured.

"But we don’t do stuff do stuff. Not like you and Dean do."

John found himself considering narcolepsy again. He thought he might actually be coming down with a true case of it, he wanted to close his eyes and go back to sleep that damn bad.

Sighing a combination of exhaustion and surrender, he gave in for the second time in a single conversation by admitting, "I don’t know what to tell you, Sammy. Dean and I do stuff together because he likes working with me. We train a lot. He helps me track things, and he helps with the logistics of my hunts."

"And you work on the Impala together," Sammy pointed out.

"Yeah. We do that, too. But you don’t like doing any of those things, do you?"

"No. But Dean does."

John was pretty sure he should be smart enough to figure out what his son meant by that and how it was going to trip him up in the end; but he wasn’t, and he didn’t. Maybe it was lack of sleep, or maybe it was just woefully inadequate parental skills; but either way, John had no idea what Sammy was driving at, or why in hell he might want to drive there. "Sorry, buddy," he said finally. "I still don’t know what you want me to say."

"You do stuff with Dean that he likes to do," Sammy clarified.

And then John got it. He so totally got it.

Ah, fuck.

He was screwed now, and he knew it. "I think it’s more along the lines of Dean doing things with me that I like to do," John said, trying to avoid a pre-determined fate he should have seen coming from the moment he opened his eyes to Sammy watching him. "Or that I need to do."

Sammy wasn’t buying. "Uh uh. You do way more stuff with him than you do with me. And it’s always stuff he likes to do. Is that because you like him better than you like me?"

Game over. Game over, done, finished, put to the showers and filed in the history books. The fat lady was done singing her fat ass off and had gone to the bar with the last man standing for a nightcap.

But John still had one more silver bullet, so he took his last shot if for no other reason than to say he went down fighting. "No, Sammy. That isn’t why Dean and I do things together. And I don’t like him better than I like you. Dean and I just have more in common than you and I do."

He should have stopped while he was beaten.

Sammy blinked like he hadn’t actually considered that, then his face fell like someone punctured him with a pin. "Oh," he said quietly. "Okay."

Great. Just fucking peachy. John just copped to thinking he had nothing in common with his own son. Which he didn’t, but still. You weren’t supposed to admit something like that to the kid. He would have never admitted something like that to Dean. Of course, it wasn’t true about Dean, but that really wasn’t the point.

John rubbed at his face again, tried to figure out how to pull his foot out of his mouth without taking all his teeth, too.

"That didn’t really come out the way I meant it," he said finally. "I just mean Dean and I like to do the same kind of things."

There were times John would have considered trading several relatively important parts of his anatomy for Sammy to be just be a little bit dumb. Just enough to let his old man slide once in a while on an answer that wasn’t really an answer, on a revision that wasn’t really a revision.

But Sammy wasn’t dumb. Not by a long stretch of any imagination was that boy dumb.

"How is that different?" Sammy asked, his voice teetering on the edge of wounded.

"It’s different because …" John scrambled around for something, found nothing, "… because it means I have a better idea of what kind of things to do with Dean. What kind of things he’ll want to do."

You had to give John an A for improvisation skills. He had excellent improvisation skills in a dig-yourself-out-of-one-hole-and-bury-yourself-in-another kind of way.

"You’re a little bit harder to figure out sometimes," John added, praying like a son of a bitch Sammy wouldn’t take that statement as a repeat of saying they had nothing in common. "I’m not sure what kind of things you’d want to do, so I guess I’m just not as good at coming up with things to do with you as I am with Dean."

Sam perked up a little. "I know what kind of things I like to do," he offered. "You could ask me. I’d tell you."

Oh perfect. His improvisation skills were evidently dig-yourself-out-of-a-hole-and-bury-yourself-in-an-anthill skills. A fire anthill. Up to the freakin neck.

Well, there wasn’t any way around it now, so he might as well dive on in. "Okay, Sammy," John said. "What kinds of things would you like to do together?"

"Boy Scouts," Sam answered immediately.

John could actually hear the sound of the trap snapping closed on his ankle. Big trap. Big bear trap, by the sound of it.

Fuck.

He waited, tried to give his son the impression he could offer a whole list of suggestions for consideration. But Sammy didn’t play that game. He had one suggestion, and this was it.

Boy Scouts.

"You’re kidding, right?" John asked hopefully.

Sammy looked a little punctured again. "No."

"You want to do Boy Scouts together?"

"Yes."

The narcolepsy thing started knocking on the inside of his eyelids again. "I think I’m a little too old for Boy Scouts, son," John said.

Dean would have laughed at that. Sammy didn’t. "You could be a leader," he suggested helpfully.

Oh good God this was worse than puberty. Puberty would be a freakin breeze compared to this. For Sammy at least. Puberty was already proving to be a demonic bitch from hell when it came to Dean.

As much as anything was a demonic bitch from hell when it came to Dean. Demonic bitch from hell as compared to Dean snapping to and doing whatever John told him to do, down to the letter, simply because John was the one doing the telling. Which was worse, actually. Much worse. Dean was fifteen. He was supposed to think his dad was an idiot.

As compared to being eleven and able to prove it.

"I can’t really do that, Sammy," John said carefully. "You know I have to stay flexible so I’m free to hunt things when they show up on the grid without warning and start hurting people. Trying to take on a long-term responsibility like being a Boy Scout leader —"

"You wouldn’t have to be a permanent leader," Sammy interrupted. "You could be a temporary one."

John blinked. That sounded like a trap. "Temporary?"

"Yeah."

"I didn’t think Boy Scouts had temporary leaders." Okay, that was a wild ass guess. John had no idea what Boy Scouts had other than geeky little uniforms and lots of chubby little geeks stuffed into those geeky uniforms. And not chubby in a healthy way like Sammy was, but rather chubby in an I-haven’t-been-outside-in-a-decade way like most chubby kids were.

As far as John knew about chubby kids at least.

But while chubby in a different way than Sammy was, geeky in exactly the same way. Which was to say likely smarter than John and even more likely to ask him some damn question no other kid on the planet would think to ask him.

It was hard enough fielding that kind of thing from his own son. He had no intention of taking it from someone else’s son.

"My Boy Scout troop does," Sammy said.

He had a Boy Scout troop? "You have a Boy Scout troop?" John asked.

"Yeah."

"You joined Boy Scouts?" John repeated, just for the sake of clarification.

"Uh huh."

John huffed a little in surprise. "When did that happen?" he demanded. "I thought you needed my permission to do something like that."

"You gave me permission," Sammy said

Okay, he knew how to deal with this one. "When?"

"Last week. You signed my permission slip. Don’t you remember?"

"No, I don’t remember. Are you sure I knew what I was signing?"

"You signed it," Sammy said like that made it an acceptable answer.

John studied him for a long moment. Finally something he recognized from the experience that was Dean at this age. In fact, something he recognized a little too well, now that he thought about it. Something exactly like the way Dean used to try and slip things by him, and the way he used to let Dean think it worked.

The kid was taking lessons from his older brother. Or at least advice.

No, wait. They were setting him up.

And just that quickly, everything John was thinking changed.

He saw it like somebody flipped a light on in his brain. He would have seen it much sooner if he hadn’t been mentally hobbled by sleep deprivation out the ass.

Which he was sure was all part of the plan. Part of Dean’s plan.

Because this whole thing was Dean, right down to the question itself. Do you like Dean more than you like me. How could he have failed to catch that? Sammy was smart, but he wasn’t cagey, wasn’t manipulative. Not like John. Not like Dean.

John saw the whole, elegant design now, and he recognized the pattern as surely as he recognized his own face in the mirror. The misdirection? The strategic manipulation that shoulder-checked any deviation from the plan to jar it right back on course? The subtle way Dean had of lulling you into thinking you were fine right before he pulled an emotional jackhammer out of his ass like it was nothing more than a popgun he kept there for emergencies?

Pure, patented Dean: All of it.

Of course, Dean was usually doing it unintentionally. Or at least, John thought he was usually doing it unintentionally. But still, so recognizably Dean as to be utterly unmistakable.

Now that he saw it.

John almost laughed. He didn’t – he didn’t even grin – but he wanted to. He really, really wanted to.

"Well you did," Sammy said, overplaying his hand for the first time since he’d laid his first bet to the table.

"Huh," John said. Let him stew on what that meant for a while.

Sammy looked at him a little funny. The boy had some good instincts all right. He knew something had changed, he just didn’t know what.

Which was very much to John’s advantage. An advantage John had no intention of giving away. As much as John didn’t get Sammy, he absolutely got Dean. So as long as it was Dean driving this car, he wasn’t nearly as far out of his depth as he’d thought he was.

"So when do you go to meetings?" John asked when Sammy was simmering at a nice bubble of uh-oh.

"On Tuesdays after school."

"And Dean knows this?"

"Yeah."

"Huh," John said again. That made Dean nuts. And he just realized, at this single moment in time, it made Sammy nuts, too. "I’ll have to have a talk with him about that."

Score. Dean was Sammy’s weak spot. Thinking he’d narcced his brother out, even unintentionally, threw Sam completely off his game. "Uh, no, I mean … he knew I was staying after school, but not why." Sammy was scrambling. He was so scrambling. "I mean, he didn’t know it was Boy Scouts I don’t think. He probably would have told you if he knew that, so since he didn’t, he probably didn’t know."

Okay, now John was dealing with an eleven-year-old. For the first time in he didn’t know how long, he actually had some idea what he was doing here. It was a strange feeling in the context of talking to Sammy instead of Dean. It made him feel less awkward about interacting with his own son, made talking to Sammy without knowing the agenda ahead of time something he didn’t feel such a strong need to avoid at all costs.

"So you’ve been to, what, one meeting then?" John asked.

"Yeah. But I have one next Tuesday, too."

"And you want me to go with you?"

"You can if you want to."

Uh oh. Score one for Sammy. That was a loaded answer if he’d ever heard one. Was he supposed to want to? Was that part of the whole ‘having stuff in common’ thing? John wasn’t sure, so he changed up his direction a little by asking, "How long is a temporary leader a leader?"

And for the first time John could remember since Sammy was half way between seven and too-damned-smart-for-his-own-good, he let John change the direction. Sammy let John step to the lead instead of always feeling like he was three steps behind and an utterly inadequate father for being so.

"Just one overnight," Sammy said.

"Just overnight, huh?"

"Uh huh."

Okay, now he was hearing something that made a hell of a lot more sense than chubby kids in geeky uniforms. Dean wouldn’t map out a strategy to help his little brother be more of a geek than he already was. But Dean would totally map out a strategy to get Sammy out in the woods doing guy stuff with his old man.

It was something John had been trying to get Sammy interested in doing for just about as long as there’d been a Sammy. He might have mentioned that to Dean. He might have mentioned he sometimes felt like a complete failure when it came to Sammy, might have mentioned he didn’t feel like they had anything in common because Sammy simply wasn’t interested in doing any of the things John knew how to do.

He knew he probably shouldn’t be telling one son things like that about the other, but sometimes it just came out, usually when he and Dean were under the Impala, cussing out this or that damn thing in language Dean wasn’t allowed to indulge anywhere except the garage. Sometimes John said things when they were re-building a carburetor, or changing out points, or checking the timing on the timing belt that he wouldn’t say otherwise. Things he wouldn’t say to his son if that son wasn’t the only person, other than a preacher who lived more than five hundred miles away, John felt he could confide in about things that scared him, things that frustrated him, things that made him feel like a fucking failure as a man and a father.

He knew it was probably his greatest failing when it came to Dean, but it was also part of why they were as close as they were. He’d had to decide early on to either shut Dean out or let him in. Either protect him from his father’s pain or confide in him about that pain.

John chose the confiding road, at least in part, so Dean wouldn’t feel so alone in the world they shared after Mary’s murder. And in part so he wouldn’t feel so alone in that world either.

There were times John regretted that choice. But there were also times he thought it might be the only reason they’d both made it through.

"As in tents and campfires and marshmallows?" John asked like he wasn’t quite sure what an overnight was.

Sammy grinned. The over confident little geek. "Uh huh."

"For just one night?"

"No. For two."

"That’s more than just one overnight then," John said, playing his dumb card like a pro now that he had a game in which the dumb card was an asset rather than a sign of failure.

"Uh uh. One overnight, it just last two nights. We leave on Friday and come back on Sunday."

"Which Friday?" John asked.

Because this was Dean’s strategy, he already knew the answer to that one. Dean would know better than to give his old man time to think himself out of the deal. He wouldn’t give John the lead time to find a vengeful spirit in Kentucky or a raw head in Michigan to pull out as a deal breaker under the auspice it couldn’t be helped.

Dean would anticipate that, plan for it. Sammy wouldn’t, but Dean absolutely would.

"Next Friday," Sammy said innocently.

John just looked at him. He sat there in his chair and just looked at him. Didn’t say a word, didn’t make a comment. Just looked at him.

Dean would have lasted about thirty seconds before he started to fidget. Sammy was still sitting rock solid after almost three minutes of dead silence.

John was impressed. He rewarded a job well done by breaking first, repeating, "Next Friday, Sammy?"

"Uh huh." Sammy said it like he totally didn’t hear the censure in his dad’s voice. And he did a good job, too. If John didn’t know better, he might have bought Sammy’s way of thinking was so fucked up he didn’t actually understand how frustrating that answer was to his dad. And in buying that, John would probably have just steamed about it rather than trying to explain something to a child who thought so differently from the way John did he wouldn’t have a chance in hell of accomplishing anything with an effort to interact other than prompting another endless debate in which he didn’t want to engage anyway, so why bother?

But John did know better this time. And it felt pretty good, actually having some idea what was going on in his son’s head.

"That’s pretty short notice," John observed like he was pondering it.

"That’s when it is," Sammy said.

"I don’t know, son. Not sure that’s doable. Might have been able to swing it with a little more warning, but next Friday? I’m not sure I can make that."

That hit the bulls eye dead on. Sammy faltered, started second-guessing his brother’s strategy. For a minute, he wasn’t sure what to say, wasn’t sure whether to offer the alternative of going on a later overnight or to stick to his guns and insist on this one.

Odds on, Dean hadn’t told Sammy the importance of choosing Friday because it represented a fine balance between lead time and lack of lead time. He hadn’t told Sammy this wasn’t a negotiable element, but rather something that had to be protected or the whole strategy would fold in on itself and self destruct.

But even without that justification – even without any specific explanation of this particular point to prove to Sammy’s satisfaction that his brother knew what he was doing so Sammy should stick to the plan and not question every little damn thing – Sammy had enough faith in Dean to trust him.

Trust him enough to follow Dean’s strategy even when he, Samuel Tyler Winchester, thought there might be a better play to make.

All or nothing, as Dean was prone to saying.

"That’s what I want to do," Sammy announced. "You asked what I wanted to do, right?"

His voice was just hesitant enough on what should have been a rock solid stance to give up his bluff, but it didn’t matter. What mattered was that Sammy chose to bluff with Dean’s cards instead of his own.

John felt a small flush of pride. Not so much that Sammy stuck to the original plan, but more that he’d put enough faith in his brother to do so. To take the risk and damn the consequences.

Dean was a good leader. He deserved that kind of faith, that kind of commitment. But Sammy was a rebel to the bone, and he always thought he was just a little bit smarter than anybody else in the room. And unfortunately – at least in the context of an eleven-year-old ever learning a lesson by getting put in his place – he was usually right, a circumstance that made it damned difficult to convince him he should ever just do what he was told simply because the guy issuing the order was the boss.

Or his dad, as the case most often proved to be.

But as much of a constant struggle as it had become over the last couple of years for John to get Sammy to back down and toe the line on nothing more substantial than being told to do so; Dean evidently had that baby licked from the get-go. Sammy saw their strategy going south, saw an apparent opportunity to fix it by going off the reservation, and he opted to follow his brother anyway.

He trusted Dean that much to just trust him.

As far as John was concerned, that was huge. He would have gone on ten overnights just to lock this one moment into place, not only for Dean, but for Sammy, too.

Because as much as Dean deserved to get his shot at being a leader, Sammy needed to learn how to follow. That boy was never going to need to be taught to trust his own instincts, to go his own way – it was as much his nature as it had always been John’s – but he was going to have to learn to accept orders now and again. That was always going to be the challenge for Sammy the same way it had always been the challenge for John.

Not that he and Sammy were anything alike, because they weren’t.

Not by a long shot.

He and Dean were alike.

He and Sammy were as different as night and day.

"So what do temporary leaders have to do?" John asked.

Unlike Dean, Sammy’s poker face ended at the bet. He showed himself an eleven-year-old again by bouncing on the couch in excitement at thinking he’d just pulled one over on his old man. "Just go with us," Sammy said. "The real leaders go, too; but they can’t take us unless there are at least three adults, and we only have two leaders."

"The real leaders, huh?" John smiled. "So I wouldn’t be a real one, just a temporary one?"

Sammy laughed. "It will be so awesome, Dad," he said, sounding just like Dean. "We get to camp in tents and make campfires and roast marshmallows and tell ghost stories and take nature walks and … but you can’t tell any real ghost stories, okay?"

John laughed at that. "Fair enough," he agreed. "Can I tell temporary ones?"

"You can tell fake ones if you want," Sammy said. "That would be really awesome. I’ll bet you could tell really good fake ghost stories."

"So you and I would share a tent?" John asked innocently.

Sammy froze to a dead standstill. The look on his face was almost payback for how far John’s stomach dropped into his shoes when Sammy first asked if he liked Dean more than he liked him.

"No," Sam said after a long, awkward beat. "I’d sleep with the Boy Scouts. You’d sleep with the leaders."

John frowned like he hadn’t taken that into consideration when he signed on. "I’d sleep with the leaders?" he asked. The question put Sammy to fidgeting on the couch in a way simple silence hadn’t.

"Uh, yeah," Sam said. "It would be totally geeky for me to sleep with you, Dad."

John almost laughed in spite of himself. Totally geeky. Now that was funny, coming from Sammy. "Totally geeky, huh?" John said. "Well we wouldn’t want that."

Sammy grinned again. "I told Dean you’d do it," he announced.

Whoa. Major tactical faux paux. A guy couldn’t ever afford to give up his CO on a covert mission. That was rule number one. Or maybe number two. But definitely in the top five. He was going to have to talk to Dean about that, tell him where Sammy’s soft spots were when it came to the chain of accountability.

"Dean?" John repeated, pointing out the error, giving him a chance to recant.

"Yeah," Sammy said, failing his brother a second time. "Dean said you’d never do it. But I told him you would."

It wasn’t a failure of enthusiasm, then: It was a failure of ego. Sammy gave his brother up like some bitch snitch looking for an ego fix. He wanted John to know he was right and Dean was wrong. As much as he stuck with Dean’s strategy, he wanted credit for the endgame – credit for knowing what the endgame would be – even if getting that credit meant outting Dean’s part in the plan.

That wasn’t something John could let pass.

"Oh you did, did you? So you and Dean planned this then? I didn’t realize I was being set up."

Sammy’s face froze. John could see him trying to figure out exactly how to respond. He gave Sammy a moment to redeem the failure, to offer himself up in his brother’s stead the way he had earlier, but he didn’t. Instead, he said, "But you’re still going to do it, aren’t you?"

"I never actually said I’d do it in the first place," John pointed out.

"You didn’t?"

"Not yet."

Sammy’s expression hardened with a flicker of rebellion. "Yes you did," he argued.

Not debated. Argued.

But John didn’t want to argue with him. He wanted to teach Sammy something, wanted to help him understand what he’d done in serving his own ego at Dean’s expense. Because as much as he didn’t always feel like he really got Sammy, the one thing he did get about the boy was how much he would never intentionally hurt his brother.

Sammy idolized Dean. He’d rather cut his own tongue out than give Dean up, if that’s what he realized he was doing.

So he needed to realize that’s what he’d done. He needed to see it so he could learn from it, so he wouldn’t do it again. So he wouldn’t do it when the stakes were higher than they were for selling Dean down the river with the old man to the end of getting his brother grounded; so he wouldn’t do it when the stakes were high enough that indulging a selfish agenda could get his brother killed.

John wanted to teach Sammy that not for Dean’s sake, but for Sammy’s. Because it would kill Sammy if he ever did something out of ego that put Dean up for grabs in a situation where the stakes were life and death. John couldn’t imagine anything that would hurt Sammy more, and he didn’t ever want Sammy to feel that. He didn’t ever want his son to fail himself that way because his father didn’t teach him how to see the dangers of his own inherent nature.

"If I did," John said, defusing the ‘did not, did so’ argument before it took root, "that was before I knew about Dean’s involvement. Before I knew the two of you set me up."

Sammy stared at John like he’d just figured the whole thing out. Like he’d just realized this was a rigged game from the onset, and his old man was some kind of mean jackass who got his jollies by letting Sammy play it down to the wire just so he could jerk it away and do a mean dance at Sammy’s expense.

Damnit. That wasn’t the message John wanted to send. That wasn’t what he wanted Sammy to get out of this. He wanted him to realize he shouldn’t punk his brother out, not that John didn’t have anything better to do than torture an eleven-year-old with promises he never intended to keep.

John felt sick suddenly. Felt sick like he used to when Dean was grieving so hard John didn’t know how to help him. Felt sick like he did when he realized he couldn’t reach his own son through the pain, through the fear, and everything he tried to do to that end seemed to blow up in his face and make things worse instead of better, all at Dean’s expense.

He found a way to reach Dean, but every time he thought he understood Sammy enough to get through, to find common ground, he failed again. Failed just like he was failing now.

He wished Mary was here. He needed Mary to understand this kid. He needed Mary to help him figure this kid out so he wouldn’t fail the boy, so he wouldn’t fall short in being the kind of father to Sammy he didn’t have to work so hard to be for Dean.

Everything came so instinctively to him when he was dealing with Dean. But he didn’t understand Sammy. He was so out of his depth with Sammy that every time he tried to teach him something, tried to help Sammy start becoming the man he deserved to be, he just fucked the whole thing up.

"Dean didn’t do anything wrong," Sammy said, his tone belligerent, but in a hurt way rather than an angry one. "He just didn’t tell you what I was doing. Which you wouldn’t have wanted him to do because that would have made him a narc."

And just that quickly, John was okay with his son thinking he was a total jackass. Sammy could hate him as much as he wanted as long as he learned the things he needed to learn to protect himself, to protect his brother. If John could just reach Sammy enough to help him learn those things, he’d pay the bill by letting the closest thing he had left to Mary hate him, if that’s what it took.

"So you’re saying Dean wasn’t involved?" John asked.

"He just said you wouldn’t be a Boy Scout leader. But he didn’t do anything wrong. He didn’t even know I was going to ask you today."

"So this is all on you?" John pushed. "You set me up all by yourself?"

"I didn’t set you up," Sammy snapped, pushing back and pushing hard. "I just asked you, Dad. All I did was ask. Jeeze. I’m sorry I did now. I just thought maybe you’d want to do something together. All Dean did was say you like to camp so maybe you’d want to do that. I came up with Boy Scouts all by myself. If you’re going to blame somebody just because I asked you, then go ahead and blame me. I don’t even care."

John studied Sammy for a long, quiet moment.

"What?" Sammy demanded. "Do you want me to go? ’Cause that’s all I wanted to ask you. It’s no big deal. It was just a question."

"No," John said quietly. "I don’t want you to go, Sammy. I want you to sit here and talk to me like a man."

Sammy blinked. "I’m trying to," he said finally.

"I know you are," John returned. "I can see that. So let’s keep trying, okay? I will if you will."

"Oh." Sammy sounded like he wasn’t quite sure what to do with that. "Okay."

And then he just sat there. He didn’t want to lead this time. He wanted John to lead.

"Why don’t you explain to me how we’d be doing something together if we’re not even sleeping in the same tent," John suggested. "That sounds more like you doing one thing and me doing something else. Isn’t there something you’d like better than camping? Something that’s more us doing something together instead of apart? Maybe a museum or something?"

God, he hated offering that option. Camping was such a good choice for him. Even with the geeky uniforms, he might actually have fun camping with Sammy. But it wasn’t about fun. It was about figuring his kid out a little, about making some kind of connection between them. And he could probably do that at a museum. If he was lucky, maybe Sammy would pick a train museum or something.

Sammy gave him the funniest look. It was a look that seemed exactly like John usually felt when he was talking to Sammy. It was a look that made it seem like Sammy had no more idea how to deal with his dad than his dad had about how to deal with him.

"But you like camping, don’t you?" Sammy asked finally. "And we’d get to sit together at the campfire. And we’d be together on the nature hikes and all the stuff like that. And we’d even eat together, so the only thing we wouldn’t do is sleep in the same tent, which we don’t do here either – in the same bedroom, not the same tent – so why does that matter?"

"Wasn’t your original point that we don’t do stuff together you like to do the way Dean and I do stuff together he likes to do?" John asked. He couldn’t believe he was actually trying to talk Sammy out of camping, but there was more at stake right now than what they did or where they did it. They were actually having a conversation. Not an argument. Not a debate. Not a series of endless questions that only one of them was even remotely qualified to answer.

But a conversation.

They were actually talking. Actually listening. And damned if he didn’t think they might even be understanding each other just a little. And John wanted that. He wanted it a hell of a lot more than he wanted to avoid a trip to the museum. Even if it was a Star Trek museum. Or one about soybeans and their importance to the economy of Brazil.

"But still, you should like it, too," Sammy said. "If we’re both going to do it, it shouldn’t just be something I like, right?"

That was Mary. Right at that moment in time, John looked at his eleven-year-old son and saw Mary.

"Yeah," he said after a long beat. "Okay. That sounds fair."

"And we could sleep in the same tent if you want to, I guess," Sammy added. "I don’t think there’s any rule that you have to sleep with the leaders or anything."

John smiled a little. "Well, that would be kind of geeky, I suppose," he allowed. "And Dean’s right, you’re already are enough of a geek that we wouldn’t want to encourage that kind of behavior."

"You think I’m a geek?" Sammy asked.

Oh, crap. He didn’t say that, did he? He didn’t actually call Sammy a geek so much as just … call him a geek. Oh, double crap with a side of fucking hell.

"Because being a geek just means you’re smart," Sam said. "Being a nerd is bad, but being a geek is kind of good, isn’t it?"

Oh, thank God. Sometimes he loved that kid just for the fucked up way he had of looking at things. "Absolutely," John assured him. "I meant you’re a geek in the good way …"

And then he got it. Got that Sammy was screwing with him again, but not by Dean’s design this time so much as by his own.

"… as compared to a geek in a way that would be more nerdy, like if we shared the same tent," John finished, just to tell Sammy his old man wasn’t quite as dumb as he might look. Almost that dumb, but not quite.

Sammy gave him a sneaky grin that was exclusively Sammy’s.

But even being one hundred percent Sammy, it still reminded John of Mary. It reminded him of absolutely everything he loved about that woman; of everything she was he could never predict but could always appreciate when it ambushed him out of the blue into realizing she was so much smarter than he was in a way she was never going to view as her being smarter than he was.

"So does that mean you’ll do it?" Sammy asked.

"Sure. Sounds like it might be fun. And it’s something you want to do, too, right?"

Sammy’s grin came out from playing hide and seek in his expression to nearly split his face in two. He’d started bouncing on the couch again when he said, "Yeah. I really, really, really want to do it."

"Okay then. I guess you and I are doing stuff next weekend."

"Awesome," Sammy said. "That is so totally awesome." He was already up, heading for the back door at a half run. "I’m going to go tell Dean," he called over his shoulder. "I told him you’d do it. I told him."

And this time, it was okay for him to say as much. Because this time, Sammy was just being enthusiastic about sharing triumph with his brother instead of giving Dean up to serve an ego in need of stroking.

The house seemed empty when the door slammed shut behind Sammy. The quiet was little disconcerting after the vibrancy of an excited eleven-year-old bouncing on the couch, eating potato chips and putting his best effort into conning his old man into doing something John would have done if the boy had simply asked him.

Or maybe he wouldn’t have. He wasn’t actually sure.

But either way, he was doing it now. No way around it. After all these years of avoiding such a dreaded fate, John Winchester was finally going to be a Boy Scout.

And he actually couldn’t think of a single thing he’d ever wanted to do more.

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ileliberte
ileliberte
ileliberte
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 10:10 am (UTC)

That was absolutely wonderful. I love the way you write John and for all my disapproval of some of his choices, he was a good man and quite clearly a very loving father and I loved the way it showed in this fic. And of course, Sam was wonderful. I really enjoyed the story, thanks for sharing!


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emma_in_oz
emma_in_oz
emma_in_oz
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 10:22 am (UTC)

I really enjoyed this fic. Well done.


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lorilann
lorilann
Lori
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 11:08 am (UTC)

I love this so much. John gets insight to Sammy and sees things that he might have missed otherwise. John sees things in Sam that are like himself but not because Sam is nothing like him. Gotta love the Winchesters thought process.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:21 pm (UTC)

One of my favorite aspects about the Sam and John relationship is how much they clash most when they are being most alike. And the things that irk them most in the other one is things they do all the time, they just don't realize it.

I got quite a snerk out of having John actually say Sammy was just like him and going to face the same challenges ... not that they were alike, cause they weren't. I love putting John in denial. :D


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foofasaurus
foofasaurus
Alysa
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 11:16 am (UTC)

*chokes* Oh. Oh.

The whole passage about John confiding in Dean things he maybe shouldn't, and how he'd been doing it since Mary died... that so perfectly described John and Dean's relationship as I've always seen it. There's something not right and not fair about it, but in the end John needed it and Dean needed it, and it's what kept them going.

I'm a huge sucker for John and Dean, and even as this was so much about John and Sam, you made me do my happy dance for the John&Dean-ness.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:23 pm (UTC)

Thanks. About 90% of my stuff is about John and Dean with Sammy getting severely shorted in the exchange, so I actually put my mind to not letting Dean take this one over this time. And he tried anyway. LOL


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mara_sho
mara_sho
the one in ten
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 11:30 am (UTC)

I am sitting at my desk with this goofy grin on my face (and watching a colleague reading it since I had to send him the link as well!). This was awesome, I would quote my favourite lines but I think LJ puts a limit on the size of a comment!

Thank you for sharing this!


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC)

Thanks! (And thanks for sending links to friends, too!)


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weesta
weesta
Weesta
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 11:37 am (UTC)

This was FABULOUS! As much as I love how you write John and Dean, I *loved* this look at Sam through John's eyes. All of the Star Trek references and John's floundering had me cracking up. But the total brilliance that I never saw coming was that it was Dean's plan all along. A plan that Sammy followed. THAT was awesome!


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:26 pm (UTC)

Thank you. It was fun to actually play John and Sammy as going head to head a bit even though Sam is still young. Thus far, I've always put Sam young enough that he and John weren't really clashing, so this was fun to try and articulate Sam at this age and how he might already be starting to rebel in a way that makes John feel like he has no clue what to do with him.

And I had move fun with those Star Trek references. I had to be careful no to write things in just so I could make a Star Trek joke about it. *snerk*


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mrscutedean
mrscutedean
Charli
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 11:50 am (UTC)

Oh Sammy...

Oh John...

Oh dude...

That was just beautiful, so great to see some Sam/John stuff from you. It was just wonderful and melted my heart to watch them struggle to understand one another, because fundamentally they share a lot of traits and I love watching them struggle with dealing with one another.

Brilliant job. Thanks.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:33 pm (UTC)

Thanks. I decided it was time I went ahead and let John deal with Sammy as a kid for a change. Because so much of my work is about grief and need, I spend a lot of time with John and Dean. But certainly in terms of parenting, Sammy would be the one who would make John miss Mary most for how much he might feel he could be a good father to Sammy if he just had a translator who could figure out the way the kid thinks.

And it was fun to go to frustration for John instead of angst for a change. And to show, from inside his head, how completely frustrated he is by Sammy and how his best of intentions sometimes turn out to be his worst choices.

And although I probably shouldn't admit as much, I really wanted to play the idea that John actually might avoid interacting with Sam to some degree simply because Sammy makes him feel like such a failure. And part of the reason John doesn't deal with him effectively is because he doesn't do a very good job of looking at Sammy as his own individual rather than a second generation Dean ... which would be part and parcel to their problems, I think. That John interacts with Sammy like he does with Dean and then either feels like a failure or resents Sammy for not responding the way Dean would.

I love John's failures as a father, especially when I can find a way to be inside his head enough to show how he's TRYING to do something absolutely parental, he just isn't going about it the right way. Or the effective way, at least.


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umbiquitin
umbiquitin
umbiquitin
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 01:11 pm (UTC)

I'm always amazed by how well you know the Winchesters:-) Love your take on the characters. John felt sick suddenly. Felt sick like he used to when Dean was grieving so hard John didn’t know how to help him. Felt sick like he did when he realized he couldn’t reach his own son through the pain, through the fear, and everything he tried to do to that end seemed to blow up in his face and make things worse instead of better, all at Dean’s expense. This reminded me of another story you wrote that I love, "The Thing About Clowns". And yes, I know this was a Sam and John story, but all three of them were there:-)


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:38 pm (UTC)

I love the Winchesters. :D Probably my favorite thing about their whole dynamic is how much I can love every one of them individually and view all of them as "right" in terms of their own perspectives even when the conflict is such that they are so diametrically opposed in viewpoint the more logical conclusion is one is wrong and one is right.

I'm glad that passage reminded you of The Thing About Clowns: that was exactly where I was putting John's head in thinking this.


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sunrize83
sunrize83
sunrize
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 01:43 pm (UTC)

You did such a terrific job with this. I loved the way John slowly unravelled "the plan." I loved his glimpses of Mary in Sam. And I loved the way he was trying to teach Sam things that would benefit him in the days ahead. I can totally see John like this, always thinking of the hunt and how things will shake out in that context. Great job!


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:46 pm (UTC)

Thanks! I see John very much defined by his perception of his responsibility as a father. That he doesn't view it as all about love, but rather that so much of being a father for him is being able to prepare his sons to be the men he wants them to be. Which puts him ALWAYS in a teaching agenda, even if that agenda conflicts with a more just-show-the-love kind of dynamic.

I think, for John, he articulates his love for his sons not always by showing affection as much as by his committment to raising them to be good men capable of protecting themselves and those they love. I think John feels the most pain when he thinks he is failing them on that level, not when he's actually done something that might hurt them. And even though he feels this way, I think there's a part of him who realizes his sons suffer for not having a more affection-based parent to balance him out, and that the loss he feels for Mary often manifests this way -- not only as losing the woman he loves, but also losing the woman who would have made him a better father to his sons by providing them with the things he can't.

So for me, John loves his sons by teaching them what they need to know. That's how he proves his love for them. And that's how he judges himself as a father. So when he doesn't ever feel like he gets through to Sammy, he feels like such a failure to him that it cuts him to the bone.


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dolimir_k
dolimir_k
Dolimir
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 02:36 pm (UTC)

I loved following John's thought processes there. What a hoot! And yet, I loved the way he was really trying to connect with his son as well.

A wonderful way to wake up this morning!


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:47 pm (UTC)

Thank ya. I had a lot of fun with John's frustration manifesting through his sense of humor. And it gave me a forum for Star Trek jokes, which is always a good thing. LOL


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drlense
drlense
Timmy doesn't deserve a chair.
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 03:11 pm (UTC)

The moment where John realizes that Sam's just like him, but then files it away, because Sam is so aggravating- that was just beautiful.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:50 pm (UTC)

Thank you. That's probably my favorite aspect of the relationship between Sam and John ... how much alike they are, yet how much both of them not only fail to see that, but will argue to the death that it isn't so.

I'm kinda like that with my dad, so I suppose I have a special empathy for that dynamic. For years, the best shot anyone could take with me in an arguement was "You're just like your dad!" because it not only made me furious to be told that, but I thought they were absolutely wrong. Even though somewhere inside, I think part of the reason I reacted so vehemently to that accusation was because I knew, in so many ways, they were very much right.

And I see that in John and Sam ... from both sides of their dynamic.


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ultraviolet9a
ultraviolet9a
(I am a rainwalker)
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 03:44 pm (UTC)

Because while Jellystone Park would both crack Dean up as an answer to that question and earn bonus points in the awesome dad category, all it would get from Sammy was another damned eye roll.

I think that sums them up pretty well. Yes it does. :) And, god, at some parts? I really pitied John. Like, pitied him, the poor devil. *shakes head*


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 11:57 pm (UTC)

LOL. Me, too. I could grok his pain. And I loved playing how unfair John feels it is that he always has to be the parent and Sammy gets to do anything he wants. That whole "and he calls ME unfair" thing in relationship to Sammy saying "because I do" when he won't accept John saying "because I told you to" is one of the top three reasons I love writing John as a father ... because he's a real enough man to be totally outraged at how unfair the parent-child relationship.

I love letting John speak to all my views on how much parents are people first and parents seconds, so while that whole saint thing is the accepted PC lip service, the reality is that half the parental struggle is just remembering you're the adult in the relationship and its the right thing to do to bite the bullet rather than acting out the way you feel even if it isn't the fair thing to have to do ... especially when a kid REALLY frustrates you.

I love that about John, and he really lets me play those dynamics to the nines.


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marinarusalka
marinarusalka
Rusalka
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 03:58 pm (UTC)

Aw. Poor frustrated John. I'd get pretty frustrated myself if I had to debate with 11-year-old Sammy on a regular basis. :-)

I so love your John, and your little Sammy and Dean (who manages to be totally present in the story without ever actually appearing "on screen.") You always get their voices just right.

Of course now I want to read the story of John and Sammy camping with the Boy Scouts...


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 12:05 am (UTC)

Thanks. I love John when he's frustrated. He's a funny guy when he's anticipating the worst Sammy can throw his direction. LOL

I had a pickle of a time keeping Dean to the wings on this one. I had to keep reminding myself this was about John and Sammy's relationship, not Dean. But Dean is such a catalyst to their realtionship in every way that he can't truely ever be absent from it. And in many ways, I tend to think Dean was manipulating both John and Sammy to try and get them on common ground ... and both of them were trying to get there too by trying to see the other the way Dean said they were rather than the way they tend to appear to each other. If that makes any sense.

John and Sammy camping with the Boy Scouts, eh? *snerk* This actually was originally going to be a much longer piece that started here and ended after the camping trip, but I realized it was actually 3 stories of much shorter duration. The first one being all about Sammy and John's relationship and them both TRYING to find common ground, even if they can't really do it (the set up). The second one being all about how common the ground always is between Dean and John (the reveal). And the third being about changing the dynamic between Sam and John to a little bit more of a common ground (the payoff).

So I decided to write it that way. So this is actually the first part of a trilogy of Boy Scout stories, the third of which will be the camping trip itself. :D


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shallowz
shallowz
shallowz
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 06:11 pm (UTC)

Loved how you showed so much of the family dynamics from the idea Sam wanting John to go on a camping trip with him. These characters are so wonderfully complicated.:) Again, truly enjoy how you portray John.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)

Thanks so much. The family dynamic between these three is endlessly fascinating to me, especially when the boys were younger, when John had both more influence and more responsibility in the relationship.


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writingpathways
writingpathways
Rachel Elisabeth
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 06:49 pm (UTC)

I love your John to bits and pieces. Sammy, hee. He's such a cute little geek boy!


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)

Thanks! I kinda love John, too. Can you tell? *snerk*


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faithette
faithette
Dallas
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 07:00 pm (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure this is where I'm supposed to comment lol... but I just wanted to let you know how much I adore this story!

I'm raising an 8 y/o girl who reminds me so much of the way you've written wee!Sammy... only for her, it's "we're not arguing, we're discussing" lol.

I completely understand John's confusion and pain...

I pimped this in my lj... I hope that's okay :-)


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 12:10 am (UTC)

You're in the right spot! Thanks so much for the pimping ... I LOVE it when people rec my work on their journals. I helped raise on a lot like the way Sammy plays in my pre-series work, too, so I know of which you speak.


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tabaqui
tabaqui
tabaqui
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 07:52 pm (UTC)

Heeee.
Giggled through most of it, then sniffled a bit.
Oh, boys.
Oh, John...
*sniffle*


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 12:11 am (UTC)

Thanks! I had WAY too much fun with the Star Trek and Brazil jokes. LOL


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ginnytonnick
ginnytonnick
WHO NEEDS LOVE WHEN THERE'S SOUTHERN COMFORT
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 08:11 pm (UTC)

I adore the way you take apart and then put together the Winchester family. It's just one amazing slice of their life after another. Wonderful read.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 12:12 am (UTC)

Thanks so much. I love crawling inside their heads (especially John's) just to see what's hiding in the corners that you wouldn't otherwise see without a flashlight and a little digging. :D


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hebrew_hernia
hebrew_hernia
anne hathaway's hair
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)

This is a brilliant depiction of Sam and John's relationship from John's perspective. Gave me a lot of insight into his thought process.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 12:14 am (UTC)

Thanks! We get so much of the way Sam sees John in the show I find it great fun to explore how he might have formed the dynamic between them as Sam sees it, and how that dynamic might be seen in a significantly different light from John's side of the fence.


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lady_octavia
lady_octavia
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 09:19 pm (UTC)

This was great (as always).

I adore John's concern that Mary will kick his ass for calling Sammy a commie, and his need to refrain from doing so.

I love when the boys team up, and John realizing that Dean was the mastermind, so cute. His panic when he thinks he's dealing with Sammy and then relief at finding some of Dean there to give him his bearings are brilliant.

And you just know that John and Dean were always too cool for the Boy Scouts, and can just see the looks of shock and disgust at the suggestion to either one when they were little that they should join...

I also love the 'you gave me permission' when John completely didn't realize ... I went to Italy on one of those...


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 06:18 am (UTC)

I could not escape the idea that an ex-Marine raising a too-bright kid who will eventually become an Ivy League lawyer and who already has a civil right's advocate's view of John as a dictator would, at some point in time, at least WANT really bad to call his kid a commie. :D

Too cool for Boy Scouts. Heh. You're gonna love the sequel. ;)


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harrigan
harrigan
harrigan
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 09:56 pm (UTC)

This was awesome! I loved how present Dean was in the story, even though he never made an appearance.

But most of all, I'm amazed at how well you captured the Sam and John dynamic. It's so hard to find long stories sympathetic to both sides, that illuminates what those years must have been like - leading up to the point where Sam and his father can't spend five minutes together without arguing, a point where John and Sam were like the father and son in Bugs, where John would tell Sam that if he goes to college he's not welcome back.

How did it happen that Dean grew up with one relationship with his father and Sam grew up with an entirely different one?

Your story has helped explain that. And I love your insights into John - I love that he makes mistakes as a parent, but I never doubt that he tried his best and sometimes tried harder than any of us realize.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 06:20 am (UTC)

Thanks! I, too, am fascinated by how different Sam and Dean's relationships are with John and yet how close the two of the (Sam and Dean) are. I love playing fanfic games in their childhood to build a ladder to that dynamic as it exists in the show.


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jacey26
jacey26
Thu, Feb. 1st, 2007 10:38 pm (UTC)

I usually only read Wincest, but you totally had me with this line:

"Sammy was sitting on the couch, eating potato chips, watching John like he was some kind of science experiment that was getting ready to render an interesting result any moment now."

Great story. I absolutely love how you write John.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 06:22 am (UTC)

Thanks! John's my hero. Can you tell? *snerk*

And hey, with as many Gen-ers as have been lured to the Wincest side by Poisontaster, I'm pleased as punch to have at least lured one Wincester into the sampling of Gen.


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reading1066
reading1066
reading1066
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 12:56 am (UTC)

That was awesome! Loved the back and forth and John trying so desperately to figure Sam out. And the moment when he recognized Dean behind it - perfect.

"John could actually hear the sound of the trap snapping closed on his ankle. Big trap. Big bear trap, by the sound of it."

BWAH!





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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 06:25 am (UTC)

Thank you. One of the aspects I had the most fun writing was the idea that when he was dealing with Sammy without realizing Dean had anything to do with it, he was so out of his depth he couldn't even begin to be effective. Yet nothing about what Sammy was doing changed after he realized Dean was in on it, yet John was actually quite capable of holding his own.

All of which plays into how much I tend to think most of John's issues in dealing effectively with Sammy have to do with his own perceptions of his inadequacy to that task, not the fact that he would be inadequate if he didn't psych himself out of even trying.


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jediprincessdsv
jediprincessdsv
JediPrincessDSV
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 12:58 am (UTC)

Words cannot even begin to express how much I love this. I. Love. This.

Tangible and beautiful. Funny and gut-wrenching all at the same time. I found myself nodding my head along, agreeing then laughing out loud. You _get_ kids, you get Sammy and you do this incredible job of saving John's reputation as a parent. I just admire the way you take these words of ours and put them together in such a brilliant way.

Thank you.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 06:27 am (UTC)

Thanks so much. It was fun, with as much on target as John almost always is with Dean, to play him so utterly out of his depth with Sammy. I love the complexities of John as a parent ... both Dean's hero and Sammy's antagonist.


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blucasbabe
blucasbabe
Sam Winchester: Needs no ruler
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 01:46 am (UTC)

Oh, this was so good.Exactly in character, and something I can just SEE having happened in the past. Dean and Sam banding together to get something they both want for Sam, and John being honest with himself about his failings a as a single parent, while still desperately trying to get a handle on how to raise both of these boys with their vastly different needs.

Thank you so much for these awesome glimpses into the growing up years in the Winchester household.


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 06:31 am (UTC)

Thanks! I tend to see John as someone who would be unflinchingly honest with himself about his own failings, especially as a parent. I think if he SEES something as a failing, he tries to deal with it. Where his parenting style bites him in the butt is in the places he may be failing his children and not see it as a failing. Cause if you can't see it, you can't fix it ... or counterprogram to it.

And that plays in, a bit, to why I tend to think John and Sammy have such a contentious relationship. The things that drive John most nuts about Sam are exactly the same things that drive other people nuts about John. But he doesn't see those things in himself. If he did, he'd likely understand Sam a lot better. And I tend to think Sam is the same way when it comes to John.


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caffienekitty
caffienekitty
CaffieneKitty
Fri, Feb. 2nd, 2007 02:59 am (UTC)

Awesome on so many levels I can't even say. Winchester verbal fencing. Just awesome!

So... where's the "John and Sammy go camping with the Boy Scouts" fic? ;-)


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dodger_winslow
dodger_winslow
I'd Sell My Soul for a Blunt Instrument ...
Sat, Feb. 3rd, 2007 06:36 am (UTC)

Thanks!

This is actually the first in a Boy Scouts trilogy, and the actual camping story is the last one. I've know, more or less, what I'll be doing with it, but it's a fairly sizey story, so I might not get to it for a while. (As compared to the second one which is in the polish stage)


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